Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:09 pm Post subject: Please help me, Im so frustrated!
Ok, I have installed my Xecuter 3 with the pin header install...and when I boot up the Xbox, it turns on, then off, then on, then off, then on and FRAGS. I think it is a soldering error, but it seems to be fine....is my only choice to take everything out and start over? Please help me, I have done all I know = \ Also, my Xbox is 1.6
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:31 pm Post subject:
That reboot 3 times and fragging can be related to either a bad solder or an improper flash. Make sure that you're using the right bios for your chip and try to reflash it properly. Make sure to read all instructions carefully because it's different with every chip. If that doesn't work, it's probably a bad solder and you should try again. Let me know if this helps at all and what you figure out! _________________ XBOX v1.6c
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MrM4n Xbox-HQ Newbie
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 9:45 pm Post subject:
Well, I havnt been into the flashbios to flash it, so I assume its just a bad solder? I just rechecked all of the solders, and I'v decided I will redo the entire Rebuild, and the DO. Thanx for the help, Ill try resoldering!
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:09 pm Post subject:
Typically the power cycle and subsequent frag lets you know your D0 is fine. Otherwise, it would bypass the LPC area and go right for the MS Bios and your xbox would boot normal.
1.6 machines technically don't have a D0, they have an LFRAME connection which takes the place of the D0...still, a lot of people will refer to it as the D0
If you were running a Xenium Ice I would say try another chip before checking your solder as they have had some power cycle/frag even before they were flashed.
In your case however, I would lean toward the install. What happens if you disco the LFRAME (D0) from the chip? Does your Xbox boot up normal.
If so, then it's your solder job. If it still frags, then you damaged your mobo most likely.
Hope that helps.
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MrM4n Xbox-HQ Newbie
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:16 pm Post subject:
Well, Earlier I disconnected the chip and it still FRAGged, however I only thought it did that because I rebuilt the LPC, and there normally not suppose to be rebuilt (in retail 1.6's).....but while I was inspecting the solders, I noticed a small solder splash...which may be why I guess....but I dont see how I damaged the mobo, I mean, I followed the Xecuter 3 tutorial
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:29 pm Post subject:
What I mean by damaging the mobo could very well entail solder splash, solder bridges, lifted traces, too much heat to a specific area causing issues.
It's been so long since I have had a 1.6 frag that I really don't know any other advice to give you.
The only two 1.6 frags I ever got were rectified when I checked my LPC rebuild with a multimeter. I found a point that didn't have enough solder on it.
You are correct about the rebuild being able to cause the frag, possibly even with the LFRAME connection removed. I'll try to verify that for sure. I still assumed if the LFRAME connection was severed you would just have a normal running Xbox just like the other mobo versions.
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MrM4n Xbox-HQ Newbie
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:35 pm Post subject:
Wow, thatk you SO MUCH for the quick reply! I will take out the splash and redo the LPC. I REALLY do appreciate your replies, thanx.
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 10:39 pm Post subject:
No problem, I have emailed some of my other modding buds for some inputs.. I want to make sure I get you the proper info. Just take your time with everything..too much heat at times can be a downfall too
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:13 pm Post subject:
Well, the answers I am getting are rather vague so far.
I would concentrate on your LPC Rebuild.
Also, check out the pin header on the underside where you soldered. Make sure that there is enough solder on each point. No gaps. You shouldn't see any gaps around the pin where it comes out of the LPC hole.
What power iron are you useing?? 15watt?? I recommend 25watt. Here is why. You tend to have to hold the 15watt a little longer to the pin header to get the solder to create a good joint. A 25watt iron will only require minimal time. The solder bonds much better and spreads much better when the point is heated more.
When we try our first soldering job, we are usually a little timid in the amount of time that we want to keep that tip on the pin and lpc hole. That is understandable, and probably not a bad thing. The only problem that it can bring is that the solder didn't create a good joint. Feel free to just touch the soldering iron tip to each point for a few seconds. You will see what I mean. The hotter it gets, you will see th solder flow down into the hole and create a better joint.
Keep me posted on everything. If it turns out you can't get it rolling, you can always send your machine to one of us and we'll handle it for you. Not that you cant do on your own, but sometimes getting a second set of hands on the machine is all it takes. Depending on where you are from we have quite a few people here that can help.
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MrM4n Xbox-HQ Newbie
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Posted: Thu Jan 20, 2005 11:30 pm Post subject:
Thank you, You are VERY helpful. When I get time tonight I will concentrate mainly on the LPC, and on the soldering. I will take head of your tips . And yes, I am using a 15 watt. Thanks you very much, I will keep it posted, and, if all else fails, I will send it to someone, I live in the U.S. KY, BTW. TY.
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Posted: Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:31 am Post subject:
Hey bud, I wanted to do some verification while I was chipping a 1.6 tonight. Basically, what I did was chip a 1.6 with a SmartXX and I used the LPC Rebuild PCB. I purposely did not hit one of the rebuild areas with any solder, thus forcing a power cycle then frag.
Sure enough, after I soldered the LFRAME wire to the chip when I powered it up I got three power cycles and then a frag. When I disconnected the LFRAME wire from the chip, even leaving it on the pin header the machine booted up normally.
So, the fact that yours was fragging even after leads me to believe there is something possibly more sinister going on with your issue. Don't get me wrong, it is very possible that solder splash is the cause, but I wouldn't leave out the possiblity of mobo damage somewhere.
Keep us posted.
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Posted: Tue Mar 29, 2005 10:13 pm Post subject:
was this ever resolved. I have the same problem however i do not have a 1.6. When i unplug the chip it boots fine. I have checked and checked the solder Any help please.
TheModGod Xbox-Hq Legendary
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Posted: Wed Mar 30, 2005 5:32 am Post subject:
I am betting you have corrupt bank.
See if you can somehow run the X3_erase and wipe the chip clean.
I just bought a ton of X3 chips but have only installed a few. Luckily, I have not had any issues flashing any yet, but plenty of people have.
I'll see what I can dig up for you, but you may want to make a separate post.
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. And yes, I am using a 15 watt. Thanks you very much, I will keep it posted, and, if all else fails, I will send it to someone, I live in the U.S. KY, BTW. TY.
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