These are both the ones with Vibration (recently there have been some that don't have vibration that logitech is pushing that are cheaper and just don't feel the same without the vibration).
-Jhondra _________________ Xecutor 3 CE
X3 3294 Bios
14 total successful solder-mod xbox's (v1.0 to v1.6b; favorite is v1.4 Sept 2003; very clean motherboard and usually has Samsung DVD), including two 128MB upgrades and 2 X3 LCD/CP's.
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